I would like to do testing for Fedora, but do not have the spare machine which I had anticipated. So I just thought I would ask the lis if anyone has a spare machine they are willing to give up or sell for a small price to do testing.
Thank you.
-- As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 04:21, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
I would like to do testing for Fedora, but do not have the spare machine which I had anticipated. So I just thought I would ask the lis if anyone has a spare machine they are willing to give up or sell for a small price to do testing.
I suggest qemu ;)
I've got pare machines out the wazoo. My wife would love it if I could trim it down a bit. What spec level are you looking for? If anyone else is looking for low or low-mid spec machines, drop me a line.
Jon.
On 1/3/06, Arthur Pemberton pemboa@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to do testing for Fedora, but do not have the spare machine which I had anticipated. So I just thought I would ask the lis if anyone has a spare machine they are willing to give up or sell for a small price to do testing.
Thank you.
-- As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.
On 1/3/06, Jon Pruente jdpruente@gmail.com wrote:
I've got pare machines out the wazoo. My wife would love it if I could trim it down a bit. What spec level are you looking for? If anyone else is looking for low or low-mid spec machines, drop me a line.
Jon.
I am looking for something that would run KDE / GNOME well enough that I
don't misinterpret its performance as a bug. I suspect video card + 900 MHz machine would do the job. Although, beggers are not choosers. -- As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 06:25, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
I am looking for something that would run KDE / GNOME well enough that I don't misinterpret its performance as a bug. I suspect video card + 900 MHz machine would do the job. Although, beggers are not choosers.
+ a crapload of RAM
Unless you use only very few applications at a time, even 1 GB won't be enough. I generally sit around 3 GB RAM usage-- mostly swapped, which kills performance.
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:56:36 +0000 Luke-Jr luke@dashjr.org wrote:
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 06:25, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
I am looking for something that would run KDE / GNOME well enough that I don't misinterpret its performance as a bug. I suspect video card + 900 MHz machine would do the job. Although, beggers are not choosers.
- a crapload of RAM
Unless you use only very few applications at a time, even 1 GB won't be enough. I generally sit around 3 GB RAM usage-- mostly swapped, which kills performance.
Or you could just use less applications at once. I run Gnome all day on a laptop with only 384 MBs of RAM. It's my primary work station and I never run into serious performance problems.
I typically have the following running constantly:
*) Several ( 5 or more ) terminals *) Sylpheed *) Firefox with several tabs *) X-Chat *) Gaim *) Lifrea
And I use OpenOffice randomly during the day... so basically don't get the idea that you have to have over 1 GB of ram to run a modern Linux desktop, as I hardly ever end up swapping.
--------------------------------- Frank Wiles frank@wiles.org http://www.wiles.org ---------------------------------
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 17:10, Frank Wiles wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:56:36 +0000 Luke-Jr luke@dashjr.org wrote:
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 06:25, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
I am looking for something that would run KDE / GNOME well enough that I don't misinterpret its performance as a bug. I suspect video card + 900 MHz machine would do the job. Although, beggers are not choosers.
- a crapload of RAM
Unless you use only very few applications at a time, even 1 GB won't be enough. I generally sit around 3 GB RAM usage-- mostly swapped, which kills performance.
Or you could just use less applications at once.
Hence "Unless you use only very few applications at a time".
I run Gnome all day on a laptop with only 384 MBs of RAM. It's my primary work station and I never run into serious performance problems.
Perhaps you only do one or two things at a time and don't have on average over 50 windows open?
I typically have the following running constantly:
*) Several ( 5 or more ) terminals
I have at least that many, especially if you count each individual Konsole tab.
*) Sylpheed
Obviously a good idea to have a mail app open all the time ;)
*) Firefox with several tabs
Aww, cmon. Firefox is for Windows lusers... Those of us who use Linux-based OS have better browsers, namely Konqueror.
*) X-Chat
This used to eat a ton of RAM on my system until I limited its scrollback buffer...
*) Gaim
Not sure about Gaim, but Kopete can eat quite a bit of RAM. I like Psi's nice small footprint.
*) Lifrea
How's the RAM usage here? Akregator keeps all article summaries in RAM, and is eating 52 MB right now (usually more)
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:25:42 +0000 Luke-Jr luke@dashjr.org wrote:
Aww, cmon. Firefox is for Windows lusers... Those of us who use Linux-based OS have better browsers, namely Konqueror.
Heh that's really funny. You're the first person to call me a Windows user in over a dozen years. :)
--------------------------------- Frank Wiles frank@wiles.org http://www.wiles.org ---------------------------------
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 17:37, Frank Wiles wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:25:42 +0000 Luke-Jr luke@dashjr.org wrote:
Aww, cmon. Firefox is for Windows lusers... Those of us who use Linux-based OS have better browsers, namely Konqueror.
Heh that's really funny. You're the first person to call me a Windows user in over a dozen years. :)
I wasn't calling you a Windows user, I was pointing out that for a Linux user, Firefox is the equivalent to IE under Windows.
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:08:27 +0000 Luke-Jr luke@dashjr.org wrote:
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 17:37, Frank Wiles wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:25:42 +0000 Luke-Jr luke@dashjr.org wrote:
Aww, cmon. Firefox is for Windows lusers... Those of us who use Linux-based OS have better browsers, namely Konqueror.
Heh that's really funny. You're the first person to call me a Windows user in over a dozen years. :)
I wasn't calling you a Windows user, I was pointing out that for a Linux user, Firefox is the equivalent to IE under Windows.
Out of curiosity why do you feel Konqueror is superior?
--------------------------------- Frank Wiles frank@wiles.org http://www.wiles.org ---------------------------------
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 18:14, you wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:08:27 +0000 Luke-Jr luke@dashjr.org wrote:
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 17:37, Frank Wiles wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:25:42 +0000 Luke-Jr luke@dashjr.org wrote:
Aww, cmon. Firefox is for Windows lusers... Those of us who use Linux-based OS have better browsers, namely Konqueror.
Heh that's really funny. You're the first person to call me a Windows user in over a dozen years. :)
I wasn't calling you a Windows user, I was pointing out that for a Linux user, Firefox is the equivalent to IE under Windows.
Out of curiosity why do you feel Konqueror is superior?
For a start, being more compliant with standards (CSS in particular).
--- Luke-Jr wrote:
...
- a crapload of RAM
Unless you use only very few applications at a
time, even 1 GB won't
be enough. I generally sit around 3 GB RAM
usage-- mostly swapped,
which kills performance.
Or you could just use less applications at once.
Hence "Unless you use only very few applications at a time".
Please do tell me, how is it anyone can use more than a few applications at a time? I've found that I am limited by having two hands each with five digits. I've not yet matered using a foot keyboard yet. With these 10 digits I have only two eyes to process the incoming information, all of which must be processed by a single CPU. Just how many tasks can one really successfully hope to accomplish with such a configuration? While it may be really cool to say you run 50 applications all at once, the truth is I suspect most of them are sitting idle most of the time and just using up RAM that could be made better use of by other more frequently used applications. Or if as you say, you are constanly swapping from cache you might look into organizing your work habits to minimize the caching, by finding the application that are getting cached and finding the ones that aren't used frequently but are not being cached out to disk.
Even when I'm working I rarely use more than a handfull of applications at a time.
I may have a single terminal up, with multiple tabs. Occasionally, I will have two terminals up with multiple tabs. I always have a mail client up, and it's usually the Mozilla suite, because I almost always have a browser up. When working I may have Openoffice up with several documents open and a spreadsheet to track time, GnuCash for maintainence of accounts, Gramps, the Gimp for doing graphics, and Quanta. Ocassionaly I'll have a chat client open. My KDE desktop never caches any of these applications. Granted some applications require mega memory, but most of us don't require 3+GB RAM. I use 512MB and that is more than sufficient.
I run Gnome all day on a laptop with only 384
MBs of RAM. It's my primary
work station and I never run into serious
performance problems.
Ditto here except I use KDE 3.3
Perhaps you only do one or two things at a time and don't have on average over 50 windows open?
Luke, you should consider joining AA (Applications Anonymous). ;')
$0.02, Brian JD.
On Saturday 07 January 2006 15:57, Jack wrote:
--- Luke-Jr wrote:
- a crapload of RAM
Unless you use only very few applications at a time, even 1 GB won't be enough. I generally sit around 3 GB RAM usage-- mostly swapped, which kills performance.
Or you could just use less applications at once.
Hence "Unless you use only very few applications at a time".
Please do tell me, how is it anyone can use more than a few applications at a time?
The same way a CPU runs more than one application at a time :)
I've found that I am limited by having two hands each with five digits. I've not yet matered using a foot keyboard yet. With these 10 digits I have only two eyes to process the incoming information,
Learn to use virtual desktops and task switching.
all of which must be processed by a single CPU.
Come on, give your brain more credit!
Just how many tasks can one really successfully hope to accomplish with such a configuration?
Sure, there's a performance hit overall for multitasking, but everyone can put up with it for computers-- so it's not much more to do it in your mind.
While it may be really cool to say you run 50 applications all at once, the truth is I suspect most of them are sitting idle most of the time and just using up RAM that could be made better use of by other more frequently used applications.
Most applications are not running most of the time regardless-- especially when the CPU is occupied executing another.
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 07:19:54PM +0000, Luke-Jr wrote:
On Saturday 07 January 2006 15:57, Jack wrote:
While it may be really cool to say you run 50 applications all at once, the truth is I suspect most of them are sitting idle most of the time and just using up RAM that could be made better use of by other more frequently used applications.
Most applications are not running most of the time regardless-- especially when the CPU is occupied executing another.
Yup. That's what swap is for.
I know the reason I leave many different programs running is that that's the best way to save their state. It makes me much more "interruptable"--improves my responsiveness without too much of a hit in efficiency--to be able to leave a task, move to another, work on it, and then return to the previous task. I can't remember all 40 things on my personal to-do stack, but GNU screen sure can.
My only beef is that GNU screen is limited to 40 windows per session, without modification and recompiling. ;-)
--- Arthur Pemberton pemboa@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to do testing for Fedora, but do not have the spare machine which I had anticipated. So I just thought I would ask the lis if anyone has a spare machine they are willing to give up or sell for a small price to do testing.
Thank you.
Try Freecycle: http://www.freecycle.org/
You might be able to get most of (if not all of) a spare computer from them for free. The computer might even be from someone in your area (my wife is a member of the Greater Kansas City Freecycle community).
Of course, you might prefer the 30" projection TV for free... :)
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--- Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Arthur Pemberton pemboa@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to do testing for Fedora, but do not have the spare machine which I had anticipated. So I just thought I would ask the lis if anyone has a spare machine they are willing to give up or sell for a small price to do testing.
Thank you.
Try Freecycle: http://www.freecycle.org/
You might be able to get most of (if not all of) a spare computer from them for free. The computer might even be from someone in your area (my wife is a member of the Greater Kansas City Freecycle community).
Of course, you might prefer the 30" projection TV for free... :)
Arthur has pointed out to me that it is somewhat difficult to use the Freecycle search. You have to go into a particular group to find stuff, the zipcode search on the main page doesn't seem to work very well.
Go to the left side of the screen where it says "Freecycle Groups". Click on US Central. Scroll down to Kansas and/or Missouri. Pick a city and click "Goto". Then search for "computer" within the group. Repeat with other cities nearby if you don't find what you want in the city you live in (for example, Lawrence isn't too far away, and Gardner-Olathe is an even shorter distance away).
One word of warning: to get something free you have to join the group. To join the group you have to give away something for free (whomever wants it must come and pick it up). This doesn't have to be anything expensive: some people give away "misc box of stuff", though they have to tell you what is in it.
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On 1/5/06, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Arthur Pemberton pemboa@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
One word of warning: to get something free you have to join the group. To join the group you have to give away something for free (whomever wants it must come and pick it up). This doesn't have to be anything expensive: some people give away "misc box of stuff", though they have to tell you what is in it.
Thank you.
-- As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.
On 1/5/06, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
You might be able to get most of (if not all of) a spare computer from them for free. The computer might even be from someone in your area (my wife is a member of the Greater Kansas City Freecycle community).
One word of warning: to get something free you have to join the group. To join the group you have to give away something for free (whomever wants it must come and pick it up). This doesn't have to be anything expensive: some people give away "misc box of stuff", though they have to tell you what is in it.
Ha ha ha ha ha I am such a geek, I presumed that "freecycle" had to do with processor cycles, and it was a community clustering project the likes of which I have long dreamed --- after reading further in the discussion I realized that freecycle is a pun on recycle.
--- David Nicol davidnicol@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/5/06, Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Leo Mauler webgiant@yahoo.com wrote:
You might be able to get most of (if not all of) a spare computer from them for free. The computer might even be from someone in your area (my wife is a member of the Greater Kansas City Freecycle community).
One word of warning: to get something free you have to join the group. To join the group you have to give away something for free (whomever wants it must come and pick it up). This doesn't have to be anything expensive: some people give away "misc box of stuff", though they have to tell you what is in it.
Ha ha ha ha ha I am such a geek, I presumed that "freecycle" had to do with processor cycles, and it was a community clustering project the likes of which I have long dreamed --- after reading further in the discussion I realized that freecycle is a pun on recycle.
Yes, I had just posted on another forum about Grid.org and whatever SETI@Home has merged with, and then my wife told me about "Freecycle" and I had the same reaction you did. :)
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