In the SATA thread comment was made about older drives being "too small" While at first thought we had some of this already worked out- a new angle comes up.
The concept of older smaller drives being used as "in place failure mitigation"
Overview is: A fully functional install with minimal yet complete tools for recovery. However the functionality has to include daily use items such as web browser,light office etc. The real shining grace comes when drive appearing to windows as letter R or similar saves the day. That day saving is executed by having copies of the most recent user data- and tools to use it. Or at minimum burn/network/email a copy of that user data. So how is this concept different?
THIS concept boots up to a stable Linux desktop and turns panic into hope. Boot sequence is set so a primary drive boot failure invokes the "recovery drive" to take over. Allowing recovery in a graceful no panic fashion. Even possibly showing a Windows user how Linux can save the day.
On Monday 04 June 2007 12:36:21 pm Oren Beck wrote:
Overview is: A fully functional install with minimal yet complete tools for recovery. However the functionality has to include daily use items such as web browser,light office etc.
The laptop I used three or four years ago in England with Mandrake 10.1 on it does not have enough disk space to run any of the big, current distros like Mandriva or Ubuntu, and while it can run DSL, I couldn't find any of my network cards that I could get DSL to support.
Some people talk about Linux extending the life of old hardware - their old hardware must be a lot newer than my old hardware.
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 04:47:36PM -0500, Jonathan Hutchins wrote:
The laptop I used three or four years ago in England with Mandrake 10.1 on it does not have enough disk space to run any of the big, current distros like Mandriva or Ubuntu, and while it can run DSL, I couldn't find any of my network cards that I could get DSL to support.
Some people talk about Linux extending the life of old hardware - their old hardware must be a lot newer than my old hardware.
Yes, I don't run anything older than a Pentium anymore.
root@charon:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 5 model : 2 model name : Pentium 75 - 200 stepping : 5 cpu MHz : 100.248 cache size : 0 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 up bogomips : 201.24
root@charon:~# free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 12604 11888 716 0 736 5952 -/+ buffers/cache: 5200 7404 Swap: 31144 1436 29708 root@charon:~# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on LABEL=/ 366M 262M 86M 76% / none 6.2M 0 6.2M 0% /dev/shm root@charon:~# ps faux USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1 0.0 0.5 768 72 ? Ss Apr03 0:03 init [3] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN Apr03 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:01 [events/0] root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 [khelper] root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 [kthread] root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:03 _ [kblockd/0] root 10 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [khubd] root 12 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [kseriod] root 62 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Apr03 0:20 _ [pdflush] root 64 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [aio/0] root 718 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [ata/0] root 808 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [kpsmoused] root 1042 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:16 _ [rpciod/0] root 29259 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Apr30 0:09 _ [pdflush] root 63 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Apr03 0:48 [kswapd0] root 889 0.0 1.8 1816 232 ? Ss Apr03 0:02 /usr/sbin/syslogd root 892 0.0 1.4 1672 188 ? Ss Apr03 0:00 /usr/sbin/klogd -c 3 -x root 919 0.9 2.3 1692 292 ? Ss Apr03 841:54 /sbin/dhcpcd -d -t 60 eth0 root 1000 0.0 0.0 3824 0 ? Ss Apr03 0:08 /usr/sbin/sshd root 2028 0.0 2.4 6548 312 ? Ss Apr03 31:14 _ sshd: root@pts/0 root 2030 0.0 7.5 2736 948 pts/0 Ss Apr03 0:37 _ -bash root 27266 0.0 7.0 2308 884 pts/0 R+ 09:17 0:00 _ ps faux root 2019 0.0 0.0 1668 0 tty1 Ss+ Apr03 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux root 25333 0.0 5.6 3840 716 ? Ss May08 0:37 /usr/sbin/ntpd -g -p /var/run/ntpd.pid root@charon:~# uptime 09:18:38 up 63 days, 8:31, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.04, 0.00 root@charon:~# cat /etc/slackware-version Slackware 11.1.0 root@charon:~#
-- Hal Duston hald@kc.rr.com
On Tuesday 05 June 2007 09:19:42 am Hal Duston wrote:
Some people talk about Linux extending the life of old hardware - their old hardware must be a lot newer than my old hardware.
Yes, I don't run anything older than a Pentium anymore.
model name : Pentium 75 - 200 stepping : 5 cpu MHz : 100.248
So what release of what OS do you have on that? I have a 200MHz pentium I use for a firewall, it runs a fairly out-of-date version.
Try Puppy Linux http://www.puppylinux.org. Does good for me!
On 6/5/07, Jonathan Hutchins hutchins@tarcanfel.org wrote:
On Tuesday 05 June 2007 09:19:42 am Hal Duston wrote:
Some people talk about Linux extending the life of old hardware -
their
old hardware must be a lot newer than my old hardware.
Yes, I don't run anything older than a Pentium anymore.
model name : Pentium 75 - 200 stepping : 5 cpu MHz : 100.248
So what release of what OS do you have on that? I have a 200MHz pentium I use for a firewall, it runs a fairly out-of-date version. _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 11:11:40AM -0500, Jonathan Hutchins wrote:
On Tuesday 05 June 2007 09:19:42 am Hal Duston wrote:
Some people talk about Linux extending the life of old hardware - their old hardware must be a lot newer than my old hardware.
Yes, I don't run anything older than a Pentium anymore.
model name : Pentium 75 - 200 stepping : 5 cpu MHz : 100.248
So what release of what OS do you have on that? I have a 200MHz pentium I use for a firewall, it runs a fairly out-of-date version.
root@charon:~# cat /etc/slackware-version Slackware 11.1.0 root@charon:~# uname -a Linux charon 2.6.17.13 #1 Sat Sep 9 01:11:49 CDT 2006 i586 pentium i386 GNU/Linux root@charon:~#
I haven't yet attempted 2.6.21.3 from slackware-current.
-- Hal Duston hald@kc.rr.com
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Hal Duston wrote:
Yes, I don't run anything older than a Pentium anymore.
This secondary dns server since 1998 beats it. The fans died years ago.
carp-derick:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : unknown cpu family : 4 model : 0 model name : 486 stepping : unknown fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : no cpuid level : -1 wp : yes flags : bogomips : 39.83
root@charon:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 5 model : 2 model name : Pentium 75 - 200 stepping : 5 cpu MHz : 100.248 cache size : 0 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 up bogomips : 201.24
root@charon:~# free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 12604 11888 716 0 736 5952 -/+ buffers/cache: 5200 7404 Swap: 31144 1436 29708 root@charon:~# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on LABEL=/ 366M 262M 86M 76% / none 6.2M 0 6.2M 0% /dev/shm root@charon:~# ps faux USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1 0.0 0.5 768 72 ? Ss Apr03 0:03 init [3] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN Apr03 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:01 [events/0] root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 [khelper] root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 [kthread] root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:03 _ [kblockd/0] root 10 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [khubd] root 12 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [kseriod] root 62 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Apr03 0:20 _ [pdflush] root 64 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [aio/0] root 718 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [ata/0] root 808 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:00 _ [kpsmoused] root 1042 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Apr03 0:16 _ [rpciod/0] root 29259 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Apr30 0:09 _ [pdflush] root 63 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Apr03 0:48 [kswapd0] root 889 0.0 1.8 1816 232 ? Ss Apr03 0:02 /usr/sbin/syslogd root 892 0.0 1.4 1672 188 ? Ss Apr03 0:00 /usr/sbin/klogd -c 3 -x root 919 0.9 2.3 1692 292 ? Ss Apr03 841:54 /sbin/dhcpcd -d -t 60 eth0 root 1000 0.0 0.0 3824 0 ? Ss Apr03 0:08 /usr/sbin/sshd root 2028 0.0 2.4 6548 312 ? Ss Apr03 31:14 _ sshd: root@pts/0 root 2030 0.0 7.5 2736 948 pts/0 Ss Apr03 0:37 _ -bash root 27266 0.0 7.0 2308 884 pts/0 R+ 09:17 0:00 _ ps faux root 2019 0.0 0.0 1668 0 tty1 Ss+ Apr03 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux root 25333 0.0 5.6 3840 716 ? Ss May08 0:37 /usr/sbin/ntpd -g -p /var/run/ntpd.pid root@charon:~# uptime 09:18:38 up 63 days, 8:31, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.04, 0.00 root@charon:~# cat /etc/slackware-version Slackware 11.1.0 root@charon:~#
-- Hal Duston hald@kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug@kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
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