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RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0
by Brian Densmore 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

Well if you want to be 100% technically correct, one doesn't ride a subway. One rides a subway "car". Or if one is clever, one can ride two subway cars, but it's not very comfortable. Good points though on p2p and c2s. p2p <> c2s Although it's really a bit arbitrary if you ask me, and probably not entirely correct. In order to make something p2p there has to be some application that "advertises" the availability of the peer data. That application "could" be considered a server. No way can I see cp, dd and tar considered as p2p or client-to-server, although I can see the point made. > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Wiles > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:29:58 -0500 > Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins(a)tarcanfel.org> wrote: > > > On Monday 11 October 2004 11:17 am, Frank Wiles wrote: > > > > > > > > That would include P2P software like ftp, scp, cp, dd, tar, > > > > > > copy, etc.? > > > ... > > What I'm saying is that while Bittorrent is by definition P2P, the > others you listed are not. Yes, they are used to transfer files. > Yes, they can be used to transfer files without DRM. > However, FTP and > SCP are server to client not peer to peer. > > My definition of local is "not leaving the same server". I forgot > about the possibility of using cp, tar, etc on a mapped drive, NFS, > etc. But this still does not make them P2P, it makes them a method > of transferring files over a networked drive. > > All I ask is that you use the terminology correctly. Much like we > don't call trucks, buses, and subways "cars" despite the > fact they are > all methods of transportation. >

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RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0
by Brian Densmore 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Hutchins > > On Monday 11 October 2004 11:05 am, Brian Densmore wrote: > > > ... each tape would still only be accessible by one user at a time. > > Nonsense. Anything streamed off the tape can be buffered and > re-distributed > to multiple destinations. You have to take my statement in context. I was not saying that one cannot copy a tape that is being played in a tape player. That was not the supposition of the previous post. The previous post was implying a station wagon load of tapes was P2P. To which I stated that without a teleportation device it could not be downloaded from any place in the world and even if you could teleport the tape only one person at a time could teleport it. Unless of course the teleportation device also was capable of replication. In which case my argument falls apart. Simply put, a carload of tapes is not equivalent to a HD full of music. And although I agree that there are non-infringing uses of P2P and thus should not be outlawed, there is a need for a solution to try to prevent illegal copying on the scale that is possible with P2P. Simply put, copyright owners are entitled to have some control over their works. Whether that be the authors or the mega-corporations that have extorted those rights from the original authors. There is a big difference between making a few copies of a song for friends over one's lifetime and making thousands or millions of copies available to strangers. As far as I'm concerned, anyone posting copyrighted works, which do not belong to them or without the explicit permission to do so, to p2p networks is guilty of piracy. Justify it anyway you want. $0.02, Brian

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RE: How to Trackdown a Hardware Failure with Knoppix?
by Brian Densmore 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Coffee Grounds > > > Hello, > > I believe I've had some form of hardware failure and I wonder if there > is a way to track it down with Knoppix. > > My Knoppix HD install simply will not boot (hangs when X attempts to > launch) and booting off the CD is unsuccessful as well. > > I can boot Knoppix off the CD in failsafe mode. The question > is, what do > I do after that to figure out what's causing the failure? What do you get when you boot in failsafe mode? Is it text only? Or do you get a gui? Here's two things to try I haven't seen mentioned. >From a command line type lspci | less if you don't have less use more instead. Look through the output and see if your video card is being detected. If you don't see it then replace your video card. I suspect that isn't the issue since you can boot into failsafe mode. Although that is an assumption and quite possibly not a valid one. It could be that your video card is partly functional. Possibly shorting out somewhere (like where there is dust touching two contacts). Second thing to try is, if you are launching knoppix to a text only mode, from a command line type in startx. This should launch X or give some indication why it is failing. More things to look at. Since you have Linux installed on the machine, and you can launch knoppix in safe mode, you should be able to look at the log files for your installed system. You'll have to mount the partitions if knoppix didn't do it by default. Look in /var/log for the various logs such a kernel and dmesg. Careful with the dmesg logfile as typing in "dmesg" will get you the current boot process's dmesg rather than cat /partitiontoinstalledlinux/var/log/dmesg |less which should print out the dmesg from the last time your system either booted successfully or last time it tried. there may be a wealth of useful data in the log files, or they may be useless in solving your problem.

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RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0
by Brian Densmore 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

That would be P2P hardware. Additionally until IBM can figure out to teleport more than a few bosons at a time you won't have the instant global access to that station wagon. And then each tape would still only be accessible by one user at a time. Brian D Windows is a 32 bit extension to a 16-bit graphical shell for an 8-bit operating system originally for a 4-bit microprocessor by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Hutchins > > > "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes." > > How's that for "P2P" software?

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Re: How to Trackdown a Hardware Failure with Knoppix?
by Jonathan Hutchins 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

On Monday 11 October 2004 06:56 am, lowell(a)kc.rr.com wrote: > I have heard that moving them to a new <pci?> slot helps;won't do much good > with an agp video card, tho'... It can help in some cases, but physically there's no difference. If you've changed cards, sometimes it's necessary to clear the BIOS information for the old card, and sometimes this is easier if you move cards around, but there are better ways to handle that.

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RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0
by Brian Densmore 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

Wellllllll..... I agree with you, partially. ftp and scp could conceiveably be construed as P2P. Especially anonymous ftp, or ftp that doesn't require a login. In any event ftp and scp could be considered to violate the induce act. Fortunately, it was defeated for this time around Congress. It should be interesting how this one gets brought back next term. On the plus side, it has been twice defeated, but I suspect our most esteemed Congressman Orin Hatch will have a new version to please his constituents ... err ... clients ... err ... ummm ... what do we call his financial backers who have no influence over his decision making and never would consider bribing him in the form of contributions, etc. to get laws passed that are in their agenda? Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Wiles > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:34:20 -0500 > Jonathan Hutchins wrote: > > > On Friday 08 October 2004 02:17 pm, Jeremy Turner wrote: > > > > > This week's Michael's Minutes talked about how Linspire > 5.0 might be > > > illegal because it incorporates BitTorrent/P2P. The INDUCE Act is > > > trying to make all P2P software illegal, but it could have a lot > > > broader effect than just a bunch of copyrighted music. > > > > That would include P2P software like ftp, scp, cp, dd, tar, copy, > > etc.? > > FYI ftp, scp, cp, dd, tar, and copy aren't P2P programs. >

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Re: How to Trackdown a Hardware Failure with Knoppix?
by Jonathan Hutchins 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

On Sunday 10 October 2004 12:05 pm, you wrote: > I probably should have mentioned that this was an existing HD install > that had been there for +1.5 or so. Never any problem with the video > card in the past. It simply up and died a couple of days ago and my wife > is now demanding that I address it. So here I am. ;-) Ok, well the first thing to do then is (unplug everything), open up the case, and vacuumi it out (compressed air is more effective if available). Next, locate the video card. Un-do the screw that holds it in it's slot, remove the card, and replace it. You might also remove the memory modules and replace them. The idea hear is to slide the contacts on the board and in the slot against each other, knocking off any dirt or oxidation, and making fress contact. Make sure everything's properly seated in the right place, and latched down. Pay close attention to wires and cables in the case while you do this. It's ok if you knock one loose just so long as it goes back exactly where it was, with exactly the same orientation. Having tried this, reboot, and see where the problem appears to be now.

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How to Trackdown a Hardware Failure with Knoppix?
by Coffee Grounds 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Hello, I believe I've had some form of hardware failure and I wonder if there is a way to track it down with Knoppix. My Knoppix HD install simply will not boot (hangs when X attempts to launch) and booting off the CD is unsuccessful as well. I can boot Knoppix off the CD in failsafe mode. The question is, what do I do after that to figure out what's causing the failure? Thanks, - CG, not a hardware guy.

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RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0
by Brian Densmore 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Have patience, Congress will get around to matches and lighters soon enough. Seriously though, these new laws dealing with P2P and Software patents, and copyright are all very dangerous and will be used as big sticks to beat down competition from small entrepreneurs. This outflux of talent from major corporations to small start-up companies is starting to rattle some of the people in power. After all they *need*, to keep a certain amount of slave labor close at hand. <dons tin foil hat, nervously looks left and right> > -----Original Message----- > From: David Nicol > > Oh please. Are matches illegal beccause of arson? > > > This week's Michael's Minutes talked about how Linspire 5.0 might be > > illegal because it incorporates BitTorrent/P2P. The INDUCE > Act is trying > > to make all P2P software illegal, but it could have a lot > broader effect > > than just a bunch of copyrighted music.

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Re: Bittorrent
by Brian Kelsay 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Azureus (http://freshmeat.net/projects/azureus/ ) is a Java Bit Torrent client for the viewers at home. Rich, why would you want UPnP to be able to run a BT client? I mentioned Bit Tornado ( http://freshmeat.net/projects/bittornado/ ) because it ran on Windows and Linux as Azureus should and it is a smaller download, although to build the Windows installer yourself you need Python installed and the Nullsoft installer. There is even a BUILD.Windows.bat that will build it for you after you have the pieces. Under Linux you need wxpython. There are prebuilt Windows Bit Tornado binaries out there. The readme for Bit Tornado gives all the info you need to build it and install under either platform. There are about four lines required to install either one. Then, as I've said several times, you open a range of ports. The default is 6881-6889, but you can change this after it is running. How hard is that Johnathan? All within about 3 pages max of readme and FAQ. All the extra pieces you might need for building are easily acquired from Google in a few minutes. If you choose the Java route, good luck. You may have Java installed already, so that may be an easier route for you. For some it has been troublesome. The last time I installed Java, I got a dead easy j2re installer from java.com. You run from the CLI and just have to agree to the license. You will probably have to change some permissions along the way, but I have already digressed too much. Get Bit Tornado here: http://freshmeat.net/redir/bittornado/52212/url_tgz/BitTornado-0.3.7.tar.gz only 173Kb Get Azureus here: http://freshmeat.net/redir/azureus/50968/url_bz2/Azureus_2.1.0.4_linux.GTK.… 4.3Mb Brian Kelsay >>> "Richard A. Franklin" <> 10/07/04 06:33PM >>> Brian Kelsay wrote: >With Bittorrent and its brother BitTornado, getting a file becomes as easy as double clicking on it and choosing where to save. That is pretty easy if you ask me. Now for those with a firewall, there are simple instructions on the BitTornado site. You do need to know how to login to and alter your firewall. I opened a range of ports quite easily on IPCop, which I then disable after I finish getting the torrent and serving for a while. > > > Okay, I continue to glean useful hints, and actual instruction, by opening kclug mail ... and curiosity overcomes total laziness. Besides, I just bothers me to use Windows to latch onto a Linux distro ISO torrent to feed to my finicky laptop. After reinstalling Azureus (azureus-2.1.0.4-0.gbv.3.i586.rpm ... using SUSE 9.1 PRO), I received "NAT Error" when testing my setup with the config wizard ... after checking a couple of router "how to" sites, it seemed that I perhaps needed to adjust my router settings. Like, maybe enable UPnP? I still did not know for sure, so I toyed with it a bit. Enabling UPnP had no effect; however, all is well after disabling the SUSE firewall (DUH?) ... Azureus opens little info windows, indicating which ports are being opened, and for what purposes, and it just works, regardless of whether I have checked, or unchecked the UPnP box in my router setup.

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