KCLUG December 2006

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Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: [DISCUSS] 10 Good Unix command line habits
by Don Ellis 18 Dec '06

18 Dec '06

A response from a St. Louis colleague: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Citek <robert.citek(a)gmail.com> Date: Dec 17, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [DISCUSS] 10 Good Unix command line habits To: discuss(a)sluug.org Also, in "Use escape sequences to manage long input", there's no need to put a backslash after a pipe (|), logical or (||), or logical and (&&). So, this: ~ $ cd tmp/a/b/c || \ > mkdir -p tmp/a/b/c && \ > tar xvf -C tmp/a/b/c ~/archive.tar can be re-written as this: ~ $ cd tmp/a/b/c || > mkdir -p tmp/a/b/c && > tar xvf -C tmp/a/b/c ~/archive.tar Happy Holidays to all. Regards, - Robert Don Ellis wrote: > Ed and Group, > > Here's a note from one of our KC colleagues (to whom I forwarded this) > pointing out an error on the page (which I noticed but didn't share). > > --Don Ellis > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Luke-Jr* <luke(a)dashjr.org <mailto:luke@dashjr.org>> > Date: Dec 17, 2006 12:54 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] 10 Good Unix command line habits > To: kclug(a)kclug.org <mailto:kclug@kclug.org> > > Notes: > In "Quote variables with caution", it says to use square brackets, and then > goes on to give a correct example with curly braces. > "Stop piping cats" only refers to piping to grep, but in reality there's > almost never a good reason to pipe a single-file cat. The < operator > provides > a file on standard input. So "cat foo | wc -l" can become "wc -l < foo" ------- St. Louis Unix Users Group - http://www.sluug.org/ To unsubscribe from the SLUUG discussion mailing list, send a message to discuss-request(a)sluug.org with the word 'unsubscribe' as the body

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minix 3 released under BSD-like license
by David Nicol 17 Dec '06

17 Dec '06

http://www.minix3.org/ maybe this development will spur an open device driver standard, or adoption of wrappers for the unified BSD driver standard into other frameworks -- He thought he could organize freedom how naive and controlling of him

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Dan's Guardian
by Dale Beams 15 Dec '06

15 Dec '06

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TiVoToGo On Your Mac
by Jonathan Hutchins 13 Dec '06

13 Dec '06

Decrypting .tivo files: http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2006-12/tivotogo-on-your-mac/

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Linux / Sco Stuff.
by RtX 13 Dec '06

13 Dec '06

I have a client that has a very old 486 server running SCO UNIX 3.2. My job is to get the data off of this machine and get it on to a Linux machine. The problem here is that the 486 is ISA bus only. It does not have an IDE bus, main system HDD is SCSI (328MB). No network option, tape backup drive does not work either. I want to add a second SCSI disk to the system formatted in DOS FAT16, copy the data over to this drive, and then copy the data back on to the new Linux server. I am having no joy getting this SCO 3.2 system to mount the drive. I don't know how. I mean I know how to mount drives in Linux and AIX but I fail to get this done in SCO. Could anyone please advise me on the steps needed to get this drive mounted in SCO? -- RtX... Ty Unes - Overland Park, Ks. riverty(a)gmail.com

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RE: Linux / Sco Stuff.
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 11 Dec '06

11 Dec '06

Well good luck in the fight to remove old hardware and more specifically SCO. Yet more reason that SCO blows goats and why you can't get too far behind the times w/ a proprietary OS. I bet if you contacted SCO, they'd sell you some pkg to give full DOS support, a tool to format a drive to work in SCO, or even network support. The key is they'd sell you something to get your data back off their incompatible old piece of crap OS. Good luck with Debian and may your nightmares be few. Many server apps I'm seeing lately have support for at least RedHat, so there is hope. >-----Original Message----- >From: On Behalf Of RtX >Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:43 AM > >Job is done. Success! Yes, SCO UNIX has not kicked my ass yet, >even on an old 486! > >Before I tell how I want to thank everyone for their help and support. >You all are great! > >I located a working 50-pin SCSI 1.2 GB tape drive with tape, >and simply made a tar backup with this drive, added the drive >and SCSI card to the new server and untarred from backup. >Works like buttuh! I did not have this drive before and didn't >know I would have it when I started the thread. I was hoping >to get the same thing done >(basically) by using a SCSI HDD. Still no joy on that front. I >found out that SCO 3.2 does not have full DOS file system >support (only for >floppies) and this is why I had so much trouble with the HDD. > >BTW - The software in question here is "Keypoint" software. >It's mainly for the trucking industry but maybe more. They are >still pushing SCO UNIX for their products. I asked about a >Linux port for my clients as I wanted to get them off of SCO >and on to something a little more flexible. They have made it >work on Linux before. >Specifically RedHat Enterprise Server. I'm doing it in Debian. >Wish me luck... > >RtX... > >Ty Unes - Overland Park, Ks.

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RE: Linux / Sco Stuff.
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

I have NEVER seen a 486 with USB ports. I imagine if you had one with a PCI port, you could add a USB PCI Card. That adapter you sent a link to is for what looks like 68-pin SCSI, and his drive is probably DB25 or 50-pin or lord knows what else at that age. It's a 328MB SCSI drive. I don't know if I've even seen a SCSI drive at less than 1 or 2 GB and still knew what it was. We're talking ancient freakin history here. A&E dug up a mate to this baby next to the Sphinx. _____ From: Oren Beck Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:44 PM To: Monty J. Harder Cc: Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO; Subject: Re: Linux / SCO Stuff. On 12/8/06, Monty J. Harder <> wrote: "no network option" in SCO doesn't mean "no NIC", it means that it's the Host version of SCO, rather than Enterprise. It has no TCP/IP stack. No ifconfig. <NetNazi>NO NETWORK FOR YOU!</NetNazi> On 12/8/06, Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO < <mailto:brian.kelsay@kcc.usda.gov> > wrote: I may have an old ISA network card in my basement, or Oren has it from when he took all my extra old cards. You'd have to get drivers and put on floppy, but that would be another answer. I think I probably have a few 3Com ISA cards come to think of it. 3C509-TPO Great cards. >>have an IDE bus, main system HDD is SCSI (328MB). No network option, A possible "Last resort first" fix seems possible with this. http://www.usbgear.com/USB-TO-SCSI.html Under $75 delivered or better prices from Ebay or local shops- but it SHOULD work. And after the "project " is do n e, either keep it in your toolset or use it to wipe and format ALL the stack of SCSI drives in your collection- possibly even using them for "Offsite Data Buckets" of data to be safe deposit boxed etc. Oren

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internal temperature sensor?
by David Nicol 09 Dec '06

09 Dec '06

Message from syslogd@justice at Fri Dec 8 15:29:07 2006 ... justice kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold when I was fiddling with the BIOS of my fancy new 1U server, I set "fan always on" to "turn fan on when exceeding temperature" but apparently the temperature there is not low enough to blow the heat out when I do something CPU-intensive (such as run my .sig for twenty minutes) Who knows how to find out what the current temperature is? Is it in /proc/misc or somewhere? This new-fangled magic is beyond me; in my days when the computers overheated, they simply caught fire and halted. -- perl -le'1while(1x++$_)=~/^(11+)\1+$/||print'

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RE: Linux / Sco Stuff.
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 08 Dec '06

08 Dec '06

I may have an old ISA network card in my basement, or Oren has it from when he took all my extra old cards. You'd have to get drivers and put on floppy, but that would be another answer. I think I probably have a few 3Com ISA cards come to think of it. 3C509-TPO Great cards. >-----Original Message----- >From: On Behalf Of Zscoundrel >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 7:49 AM > >No network option??? What kind of server has no network connection? >Even an old BBS would have dial in capabilities. > >Stick an Ethernet card in it and use FTP. If there is only >328mb total, the usable data can't take very long to transfer. > >RtX wrote: > >>I have a client that has a very old 486 server running SCO UNIX 3.2. >>My job is to get the data off of this machine and get it on >to a Linux >>machine. The problem here is that the 486 is ISA bus only. It >does not >>have an IDE bus, main system HDD is SCSI (328MB). No network option, >>tape backup drive does not work either. I want to add a second SCSI >>disk to the system formatted in DOS FAT16, copy the data over to this >>drive, and then copy the data back on to the new Linux server. I am >>having no joy getting this SCO 3.2 system to mount the drive. I don't >>know how. I mean I know how to mount drives in Linux and AIX >but I fail >>to get this done in SCO. Could anyone please advise me on the steps >>needed to get this drive mounted in SCO? >> >> >>

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OT Looking for Contract Work
by Dale Beams 07 Dec '06

07 Dec '06

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